Initial thoughts on Kindle Fire

By on November 28, 2011

Not as impressive as either the Kindle or the iPad.


I managed to get the Kindle Fire last week and I thought I’d write some quick initial impressions for it. Let me start by mentioning that I have an iPad 2 (that I passed to my wife once her MacBook Air broke down), a 7″ PlayBook that I haven’t touched in months, a Samsung Galaxy Tab 8.9 that I primarily use before I go to sleep and an HP TouchPad that I picked up during the fire-sale and use in the TV Room. Other than that, I love my third generation 7″ Kindle that travels with me to my press trips and bathrooms.

I did not post all that for bragging rights but just so you know that I have had some experience with Tablets. I’ve also played with tons of Android tablets- from the 7″ Tab to the 10.1″ ASUS Transformer, however, I knew that the Kindle Fire will be a one-of-a-kind device even though it is based on the older, non-tablet version of the Android OS.  Amazon has redone the UI for Kindle Fire making it look completely different than any other tablet and has tied it closely to its services- of which there are plenty.

Taking it out of the box, I immediately disliked the Kindle Fire. The word “Kindle” reminds me of my ebook reader that I love for three things- it’s incredibly thin and light to hold and carry, it has a mighty impressive battery life and the e-ink technology makes books look better on the screen and is much easier on my eyes than a back-lit device.

Unfortunately, the Kindle Fire is neither of these. It’s a bit too thick and heavy to comfortably hold it in one hand (412 grams vs 247 grams) and lasts a few hours compared to the days that the Kindle lasts. And coming to the screen, I started remembering how Amazon made fun of the original iPad about it’s readability outdoors which has come back to bit them with the Kindle Fire.

So I thought I’d stop looking at the Kindle Fire as an ebook reader and use it more as a tablet. Sadly, this didn’t work out too well either when I tried configuring my Gmail account (I use Google Apps) and Google Talk for IMs. The Kindle has an incredibly old version of the email app bundled with antique Android devices and not the slick GMail app found in pretty much all current tablets based on Android. In fact, it doesn’t have any Google services.

Not necessarily being able to use it as a full tablet or an optimal ebook reader, I was left a little confused on where the Kindle Fire stands. Sure, you can stream videos to it using Amazon, buy music and apps for it from the Amazon and browse the web using the Silk browser (which doesn’t support Arabic as of yet.) But then pretty much any tablet can do that using a combination of different applications. Where the Kindle Fire stands out is putting all these things together in a decent interface at a decent price point.

At $199, it almost becomes an impulse buy and I can see lots of people picking one up- but I’m not sure how many people will stay with it. The iPad is, without doubt, a better tablet and the regular Kindle is, without doubt, a better ebook reader. The Kindle Fire on the hand, is a bit doubtful as an all-in-one device. But I’m not giving up on it. Because it will sell really well due to it’s low price thus translating into a large user base, it will find it’s place. Eventually.

What free Apps UAE likes?

By on November 13, 2011

Social networking, apparently.

The official Apple App Store has been live in UAE since the iPhone 3GS days, and naturally so because that was when the iPhone was officially launched in this region. And while BlackBerry and Android smartphones have been selling here since that time, it wasn’t until a couple of months ago that the app stores for these operating systems were available here. With that in mind, I thought it would be a nice idea to see what are the type of apps people use on each platform.

Now for the sake of apples to apples comparison, I have only looked at the Top 10 free apps on each store, since Android doesn’t have paid apps available for UAE at the moment.

As you can see, 60% of BlackBerry users go for social networking apps. That’s most likely due to the keyboard usage and how easy it is to write things down on a physical keyboard as opposed to a touchscreen which many people are still not comfortable with. Interestingly both Vlingo and Easy Smiley are core apps that are built around expanding the usability of the device, rather than add new functionality to a BlackBerry handset. Also, Shazam and Vlingo are paid programs that are currently being distributed for free by RIM to all of their users as compensation for the recent BlackBerry services outage.

Android users are also into social networking at 60%, but I have included Tango and Viber, two VOIP apps, under the ‘Social’ category as well. ‘ABarakat’ is a social networking app where users can send free messages on Facebook, Twitter and even SMS. There’s still a variety of users who’re going into different directions with ‘Photo Warp’ and ‘Al QebLah’, the latter being an app to figure out the direction of the Qiblah to assist in prayers.

The App Store is the polar opposite of these two stores, with the majority of people using a variety of different apps, Hotspot Shield VPN being the most interesting one. Facebook Messenger is the only social networking app on the Top 10 list, with 40% of the list being dominated with games. I’m surprised why people still use apps like Talking Rapper and Talking Tom, I guess every wants something for shits & giggles every once in a while.

So that’s an interesting find all things considered. When it comes to free apps, BlackBerry users like to chat with people, making full use of their keyboard. Android folks also like to connect with other people, but free calls seems to be as important as typing. And iPhone fans just love their games and draining their batteries.

Steve Jobs- a nutcase?

By on November 9, 2011

At least in his early years, Walter Isaacson’s biography portrays him as so.


I didn’t really write anything about Steve Jobs death last month and that was for a reason. I had never seen him in person, talked to him or even received an email from him. I didn’t know the guy and whatever I knew of him was public information and so I refrained from adding my two cents. However, I did want to know more about him and was thus looking forward to reading the book about this seemingly magnificent person who changed things for all of us.

Luckily, I managed to find some time during Eid holidays last week and finally started reading Walter Isaacson’s biography on Steve Jobs. I am about a quarter into the book and while I am enjoying the book, I am not necessarily liking the personality of Steve Jobs- at least not during his early years. I’m at the point in the book where the Mac is officially launched and so far, Steve Jobs has been portrayed as a total nutcase.

He didn’t treat people with respect, didn’t value others opinions and event stiffed his business partner Steve Wozniak out of the bonus check he had received for getting him to complete a project earlier than it was due. He also broke down and cried when things didn’t go as per his plan in the corporate world.

However, it is also his desire to achieve perfection and simplification in everything he did that revolutionized the way we use computers and smartphones. His charisma and dedication also brought out the best in is his employees- things they would have possibly never achieved had it not been for him.

There are quite a few interesting facts in the book- not just about Steve Jobs but also of the industry as a whole and I recommend anyone with a passion for technology giving it a go. Walter Isaacson has also written biographies of Benjamin Franklin and Einstein. Does Steve Jobs qualify to be in the same league as them? I don’t think I can answer that, but he does appear quite eccentric in his biography- a characteristic shared by many other geniuses.

Space: the ultimate frontier

By on November 2, 2011

Why aren’t we there yet?

Since the dawn of civilization, humanity has always wanted to improve their lifestyle, increase efficiency, get the job done quickly, so we can enjoy our lives more. Fire meant food gets cooked faster, wheels meant transportation increases. Microprocessors meant that monotonous tasks could be done in the blink of an eye. And during the technological breakthroughs of the late 17th and early 18th century, wasn’t every visionary dreaming of the perfect society? The perfect world? And even beyond that, all of this in space?

A century later and all of our technological breakthroughs are coming in the form of improving our social lives. Actually, most of it’s done so that money can be made. Electrical cars, quad-core smartphones, LED televisions, faster internet, tablet computers, “revolutionary” ways for people to connect with each other via social networking. None of these things help us improve our lifestyles, just make us happy because we have more frivolous things to play with. What’s the next generation of consoles going to bring? When will I get a flexible OLED screen so I don’t have to carry around tablets and smartphones? When can I get holographic TVs? What did that famous celebrity who doesn’t even know I exist said on Twitter so I can gossip about it on Facebook? Whatever happened to the dream of reaching for the stars?

Unless there's WW III by 2040, we're all good to go.

Have we totally lost hope about such “scifi” ventures that we’re content with them remaining in movies and books? There are 7 billion people on this planet, how long before we’re double this figure? Well, we went from under 2 billion in 1900 to 6 billion in 2000. And at this growth rate we’re going to double ourselves in another 100 years. Our governments cannot handle their own people, let alone immigrants from other countries as it is right now. Imagine what will happen when we’re at 14 billion. However, the point of this blog isn’t to look at the social habitat of the world, but lamenting where our technological advances are (or aren’t) taking us.

Were the moon landings 40 years ago just a “who’s is bigger” competition between the US and Russia? Since then, we have launched hundreds of satellites into space, but nothing more than connecting the world via TV, internet and phones has been achieved. I’m not undermining these colossal achievements and how they have changed our lives, but why don’t we go beyond just trying to invent technology to monetize it? When will humanity move to something beyond? We’re still treating space travel like an amusement park ride that only the few “privileged” ones can go to.


We're getting there!

I understand the colonizing planets isn’t exactly like moving your troops to the neighboring country, invading them and taking their resources. But can we move beyond rock collection and and analysis of stars and planets millions of light-years away? How about launching a huge spaceship, able to house hundreds, if not thousands of people, and send the expedition out to discover habitable planets? Maybe I’ve been watching too much scifi, or maybe that’s how things will go down. Imagine the opportunity that third world countries and their billions of citizens will have. New jobs, and complete ecological systems able to sustain on their own through nuclear power (or maybe solar) and have everyone live responsibly on their ship, their home, their country!

We’ve built the ISS and many other satellites, isn’t it possible to replicate their tech on a large scale where a lot of humans can live? Of course, the ultimate question then becomes: why? Can money be made off such a venture? All it looks like is to progress humanity into another area of well being. How can a big corporates benefit from this? Well, you can turn this into the ultimate immigrations service: pay us some ridiculous amount of money and you can live in space! That’s a quick way to cash in, a longer, more productive way could be technological breakthroughs in space which are then patented. Then we’ll have lawsuits…in space!

Our great, great, great, great, grandchildren will be rolling in style.

Or maybe once Skynet takes over as everybody is launching nukes during the final days of World War IV while a giant asteroid is on course for Earth, will we see us finally getting our lazy asses to space.

Nokia’s under-whelming debut of Windows based Smartphones

By on October 31, 2011

The expected thunder was more of a thud.


Last week, we saw the introduction of the new Nokia Lumia 800 and Lumia 710 Smartphones based on Microsoft’s Windows Phone operating system. To many of us, these two devices proved to be a bit underwhelming. They were, more or less, a Windows version of other Nokia Smartphones- such as the N9 and something else that is Symbian based. Now, copying designs from other products in your portfolio is something that many other manufacturers do (Hello HTC and Samsung), but I believe Nokia has done this to simply rush their Windows Phone based product out to the market.

The reason I say that is because Nokia hasn’t really been in the news for good reasons when it comes to Smartphones. They have been losing market share in this category at an alarming rate and something needed to be done to not only slow this down but also to keep the shareholders from pulling their knives out. Nokia HAD to get the Windows Phone device out the door before 2011 departed and that is why what we see is a rehashed version of their older devices made to run the Windows Phone Operating System. They’re not as exciting as one would have hoped to see and have failed to create the buzz they were expected to.

That’s not to say that Nokia is lacking with ideas or innovation. Far from it actually, and the N9 sadly proves that (read my review to find out why I say sadly.) I think Nokia needs more time to come up with their game-changing device and that will happen when the next version of Windows Phone, codenamed Apollo, shows up some time next year. That, I believe will the tipping point for Nokia as well as Microsoft in the mobile industry and you’ll something that will make you go Wow!

A trip down memory lane with Windows XP

By on October 26, 2011

The OS we grew up with.

Yesterday, October 25th 2011 marked the 10 year anniversary of Windows XP being released to the public back in 2001. Back then I was just starting my A Levels. Wow, it’s been a long time indeed.

Even though Win XP came out during my high school days, I didn’t actually try it out until next year when I started university and got my own computer for the first time. Before that it was just high riding on Win 98 and (gasp!) Win ME on my Pentium III machine.

As with everyone else, my first few weeks with Win XP were spent just admiring how “smooth” everything looked and felt. My machine at that time was a humble AMD Athlon XP 1600+ with 256MB RAM and a GeForce 4 MX 420 graphics card. Also, a 40GB HDD. Good old days, when the original Call of Duty and Unreal Tournament 2k4 were the only two games I played non-stop.

Oh, the anticipation!

Of course, back then I wasn’t so savvy on security, which is why my first ever virus attack was also the most crippling. I’m not sure how, but the first time I got a broadband connection I got a virus as soon as I went online. After my next restart I just couldn’t connect to the internet at all! Obviously at the time I had no idea what was happening.

So I ended up calling BT customer support to figure out why the hell my brand new broadband connection wasn’t connecting to the internet. That’s when the surprisingly helpful CS rep walked me through the whole process of identifying a worm that was running in the background, identified via Taskbar. So to fix my corrupted connection he actually posted a CD which had the worm-remover on it. This was when I realized the true power Taskbar; also the time when I got paranoid about getting online and making sure I always install some antivirus software before going online after a fresh install of Windows. We all learn from our mistakes.

As the years moved on, we had games like FarCry and Doom 3 and Half-Life 2 which forced me to upgrade my measly GF4 MX 420, and at the time the ATI 9800 Pro was all the rage. With every major hardware upgrade, I always had this habit of reinstalling Windows, just to get that “fresh and new” feeling emanating from the whole system, not just the new component.

Also, whenever this came up.

And as the years rolled by, every install of Windows XP was accompanied with and install of Firefox and Avira AV (one of the top free antivirus software at the time). Then came Office and all the rest of my game installs. Security became a huge concern, and I remember dabbling with Comodo firewall for over a year before I got sick of all the popups asking my permission to allow various programs internet connectivity. I soon came to rely on Windows Firewall, which, while basic, always seemed like it got the job done.

I remember as the release for Vista was closing in, many people had already started using the widgets and the shiny new desktop look into XP itself. Those were some really nice experimental days, times when a good screensaver mattered to me. Nowadays I’m just happy with the beautifully simplistic look of Win 7 and don’t even bother with a screensaver, turning off the monitor feels better.

Throughout my time with Windows XP, I never once felt that the OS was weak in any way. I loved the insane lengths to which I could customize it without breaking much. I also learned the importance of security with firewalls and antivirus and how to properly “maintain” my hard drive so that my PC never really slowed down. If at anytime I did get the infamous BSOD, I could always track it to faulty hardware or some crappy obscure program that I installed.

The "secret" Royale Noir being my personal favorite theme.

For me Windows XP really was the OS I grew up with, because as the OS matured, I learned more from my mistakes and those of others as well. After the disaster that was Vista, which I thankfully never tried, I came to Windows 7, which seems like the true successor to Windows XP. Still, on the rare occasions when I do see Windows XP, nostalgia comes running back, bringing with it good memories and hard earned lessons. Also, sometimes the digits FCKGW-RHQQ2-YXRKT-8TG6W-2B7Q8 flash across my eyes.

Android fragmentation continues in tablets

By on October 24, 2011

Oops, I did it again?

Ask someone why Android is not as optimal of a user experience as the iPhone and the first answer you are most likely to get is fragmentation. Because of the number of screen sizes, screen resolutions, CPU speeds etc., it becomes harder for a developer to produce an app that works consistently across multiple Android handsets.

One would think that Google would learn from all of this and adhere to strict standard but I see the same story repeating itself with tablets. The iPad has been around for almost two years now with the same screen size and resolution in both of it’s iterations- and I’m sure that Apple will stick to the same screen size even if the resolution increases on the third model- much like it did with the iPhone 4.

However, Honeycomb is barely six months old and we’re starting to see the cracks. While strictly launched as a Tegra 2 based 10.1″ tablet with a 1280×800 resolution, we saw LG release their 8.9″ model with a lower screen resolution shortly. Currently, we have a Samsung 8.9″ Tab but with a higher resolution, the Dell Streak which is 7″ and lower in resolution and the upcoming Samsung 7.7″ Galaxy Tab.

So if you’re a developer, you are once again left to wonder: to write for a platform that has sold over 30 million in quantity and has one screen size and resolution or write for one that has sold 6 million but with all these different screen sizes and resolutions. Looking at the Honeycomb optimized applications on Android market, I think the answer is pretty obvious.

Even tablets that have sold a lot less than Android- such as the BlackBerry PlayBook and the HP TocuhPad, have a larger base of applications available and optimized for them. I’m sure that Google is noticing this and the upcoming Ice Cream sandwich will have some tricks up it’s sleeve to automatically scale applications all the way from a 3.5″ Smartphone to a 10.1″ tablet. Lets hope the developers embrace it.

A Tour de Force for the Tech Industry

By on October 19, 2011

Introductions of Droid RAZR, Ice Cream Sandwich and BBX

The last few hours have been a roller coaster of a ride for tech enthusiasts. From short term to long term, we saw the introduction of the Motorola’s Droid RAZR, Google’s release of Ice Cream Sandwich and BlackBerry’s vision of moving forward with BBX. Lets talk about each one of these announcements.

Let’s start with Motorola. the Droid RAZR is one sexy device. In fact, I’ll go out on a limb and say that it’s the best looking Android Smartphone that I have seen (virtually) to date. From the pictures and videos, the device just looks phenomenal. It is super thin at 7.1mm with a 4.3″ qHD SUPER AMOLED screen, a dual core 1.2GHz CPU, an 8MP camera with 1080p recording along with a front-facing camera and an 1780mAH battery.

Best of all, it has support for LTE 4G and you hopefully already saw the speeds we can get on the Etisalat network over 4G. I have no idea how Motorola managed to cramp all that technology into such a slim handset but I’m not complaining. This would be handset I would recommend in a heartbeat, had Google not showcased Ice Cream Sandwich running on a Galaxy Nexus- which brings us to our second announcement.

Google showcased their update to their Android OS at an event held in Hong Kong earlier today. The device that managed to showcase the latest/greatest that Google has to offer was once again built by Samsung. Resembling the Nexus S, the Galaxy Nexus takes the screen to a whole new level with a 4.65″ 1280×720 pixel Super AMOLED display- the highest resolution ever seen on a Smartphone.

Along with that, you get all the goodness that Ice Cream Sandwich brings such as Beam which is NFC, swipes all over, Face unlock that unlocks the phone when the owner looks at it, voice typing, resizable gadgets, a new camera app and updated applications like GMail and Contacts. Ice Cream Sandwich will also do away with buttons on the Smartphone- much like it did for Tablets. Honestly speaking, I’d be a lot more interested looking at Ice Cream Sandwich on a tablet than a Smartphone.

Last and certainly not the least, RIM announced their strategy moving forward though BBX- the future of all BlackBerry devices that will power tablets and Smartphones. RIM also announced a the gold release of their native SDK to develop applications and like Apple, they see either an HTML5 experience to run across their older Samrtphones as well as newer tablets and phones for compatibility or native apps for performance.

We got to see some pretty impressive demos for games on the BlackBerry tablet such as Tomb Raider and Dead Space as well as BlackBerry Cascades- an interface layer created by TAT to help developers create stunning visuals for their apps. All of this, along with the Android Player which will let you run Android applications on the PlayBook will be a part of the IS2.0 upgrade for the tablet.

Last and certainly not the least, Apple had an earnings call, once again exceeding expectations set by them- mainly because of the rise of sales in iOS devices but Macs also contributed with better than expected sales.

All in all, it has been a pretty awesome day for the tech industry.

WebOS: So bad, so good.

By on October 17, 2011

What happens when a good product gets into wrong hands.


I’ve been playing around with the HP TouchPad for a few days now and would like to share my thoughts on it. This is the same tablet that went through the fire-sale in the US, selling for as low as US$99 (around AED 370.) At that price, it’s a sin to not buy the technology that powers the TouchPad. While we never got to experience the fire-sale, mainly because the tablet was never officially launched in the region, there were some good deals floating around- for e.g. was selling a 32GB unit for AED 750 during GITEX. However, that is not the focus of this blog- lets talk about the TouchPad and WebOS instead.

My out of the box experience with the TouchPad wasn’t really great. The unit felt incredibly slow- certainly a lot slower than either the iPad, the PlayBook or the many Honeycomb based tablets I have tested. It was so bad that at times, I would touch the screen and not know for a few seconds whether the tap had registered or not. I was pretty much ready to pack it and send it back.

But there was something about it that made be come back to it- maybe it was the beautiful interface or the way apps were always working in the background. So I started reading about tweaking it- talk about opening a Pandora’s box! If you are an enthusiast, you will get a kick out of the TouchPad. Other than the official HP App Store, you have something called Preware which lets you access a different kind of app store. If you know about Cydia for the iPhone, then you’ll feel right at home with the Preware.

There are many many patches available for the TouchPad that significantly improve your user experience. From disabling logging to overclocking the device, the community has managed to keep the TouchPad very much alive and kicking and has transformed it from the disappointing out-of-the-box experience that HP provides to something a lot more pleasant. While the OS is still not as fast as the others, it is at least responsive enough to not cause frustration.

The WebOS is quite a looker as well- all the way from the icons to the fonts that are used for just about everything. It’s all laid out very neatly. Animations for transitions are also simple and beautiful and the way all your accounts integrate into the system is awesome. You can simply input your Facebook, GMail, Skype accounts etc. and they show up at relevant places such as gallery, chats or calls. Sadly, twitter is not built-in, but this is not a review of WebOS so let me get to the point- WebOS is awesome as far as the ideas are concerned. Where it really fails is the way it’s implemented. It’s just not optimized.

I think if this product was given to a company that really cared, it could take off in a big way. HP not only did a disservice for it’s share holders by purchasing and then discarding WebOS in nine months, it also let the WebOS fans down. Had a company like Amazon or HTC bought Palm instead of HP,I honestly think that we would have see results that were quite different.

Should you buy an iPhone 4S if you already have an iPhone 4?

By on October 5, 2011

No. Maybe. Yeah.

Call it coincidence, divine hint-system, or whatever that clocks your boat, my one-year contract with Etisalat for my iPhone 4 got over on October 3rd, just a day before Apple unleashed the new, slightly updated iPhone 4S to the hungry pack of fan boys and media journalists.

And, naturally, that has put me in a dilemma. Will the iPhone 4S, after we get it for review and I take a really long look at it, impress me enough to warrant a purchase? Or should I just buy a data plan and get on with my iPhone 4, and wait it out till Apple comes around releasing the ‘real’ new iPhone?

To make it easier to comprehend, let’s take every major upgrade and slot it into neat little bullet-points:

-      A5 dual-core processor: Being a techie, yes I absolutely love speed, even if it makes only a second of a difference. I want it. But when that speed comes at a cost of AED 3000, yeah, not really. For me, the iPhone 4 is speedy enough. It doesn’t exactly swoop from app to app, but it does with relative speed that I have never gotten the urge to fling at a wall. However, just like games, as more and more developers optimize their apps for the dual-core architecture, the speed difference will be quite noticeable.

-      7x faster graphics performance: There is no centimeter of doubt in my mind that Infinity Blade 2, which ships in December exclusively for the iPhone 4S, will blow me away into blissful oblivion. The difference between Infinity Blade and the ‘updated’ Infinity Blade for the iPad 2 was impressive in itself, so we can only imagine what Epic has cooked up for the sequel. Current-gen console-like graphics will soon be a possibility. However, personally, I have given up on playing games on my iPhone 4. It’s just not comfortable enough on 3.5” screen with two large thumbs blocking most of the screen. On a bigger screen however, it will be quite something.

-      8 megapixel camera, 1080p recording: I have never really understood why the average Joe warrants a mega-massive mega-pixel camera on their phones. To print pictures? No phone-camera is capable of producing decent shots to make a good print copy. Period. To view on a large screen? Err, no consumer-screen is capable of resolutions of 3264×2448. Period. But 1080p recording? That is one thing that really interests me, especially when the iPhone 4S will come fitted with real-time image stabilization and noise reduction technology. And knowing Apple, I know it will just work.

-      64GB capacity: I only like music when it plays on the radio – I have never used my phone as a music center of sorts, so a larger capacity is a moot point for me. I would be happy on a 32GB; 64GB for me, is an over kill. But I can see how more space is an ideal solution for many – you could finally ditch your iPod.

-      Siri: By far the most impressive piece of technology shown by Apple at yesterday’s conference. Siri was an independent app before the Cupertinos put down an offer they couldn’t refuse. For the iPhone 4S, the app has been integrated with the entire operating system, and is capable of doing a lot of things such as set calendar entries, dictate notes and emails, read out messages, and perform searches for words, weather and a lot of other stuff. While Apple gave an extensive look at the software during the conference, it failed to mention how well it would work with people with different accents. None of the dictation software I have tried has ever done a good job. Taking that into consideration, and the other various variables of potential errors that the software is prone to, how many, and for how long, will people use the app to do regular tasks that could take them a few seconds with the thumb? Unless proven otherwise, Siri is still a toy, a cool thing to show off to people, but never to be used to such an extensive extent that Apple hopes we would.

So will I buy an iPhone 4S? No. Not before actually trying out the device. Should you buy an iPhone 4S if you already have an iPhone 4? It’s a case of different strokes. If you require faster speed, higher capacity and are lazy to use your thumb to do things, then yes, iPhone 4S is a great upgrade. I really don’t why people should spend money on a slightly juiced up device, otherwise.

Maybe if you sell it…

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